Breaking Stereotypes: Darcy Lowe on Risk Taking

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I always remember coming out of the ring also halfway through I was like thought I was going to die. Like honestly my heart was like on fire. I thought I was going to die. I was like halfway through and I was like what the hell?

You know it's so hard. Um but I think coming out of it I thought if I can do that anything in my life is easy. Boom. That's a nugget.

Like anything in my life since that point I found not easy per se, but if you can go into that and get punched and kicked by someone for like 5 minutes longer than that, you can anything is there's not much that you can't get through. Yeah. So, don't know you well. We met at best.

Yeah, we did. Monday night, I was eating alone. I do that a lot. And Monday night's always jam-packed cuz nothing else is open.

That and found true. 5 minutes from my home. Uh yeah, we met, had a good laugh, chatted and um and then I caught up with you again with your friends. Um so D young lady um really kind, really nice.

Um doesn't follow everyone else and I just found out she's 28. I thought she's a bit younger. I was giving her more credit. Let's just say 25.

She won't she won't care now, but she'll care in 10 years. She'll take back the years. Um we've just kept in touch like here and there. She's actually a hard woman to get hold of.

She's always busy and traveling in barley. She takes four days to respond, but I think that's a generation. What generation I am? I'm terrible at replying, honestly.

Everyone in my life knows that about me. Like, everyone. Okay. So, so it's not personal.

Awesome. Don't take it personal. No, I I I don't care. Anyway, like um shocking.

I I reckon it's great because your focus is eating healthy, training, trying to do all that. Um you go from Barley to here, mainly barley if you can. you come back here when I met you and you're like, I'm going to try and stay here and do all this stuff and then you're like, no, I'm going back. Yeah.

Yeah. What I was going to try and do and I I still reckon we'll do this in 3 to 6 months. Um I want to get to Bali a bit more cuz I like going to Abu and that and and I wouldn't mind getting over there and I hit you up the other week about going over there and training. I never went myself cuz of business.

But um I would like to do one there. Yeah. And I'm sure there's you can hire there. There's there' be so many over there with me.

So many gyms like No, but I mean podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Of course. There's a uh podcast barley something they have one a lot of people just film there. I know heaps of people that just use the space and then Yeah.

And we can just do a green room in edit. I actually haven't been. I would like to go check it out. So yeah.

Yeah. Well, if you check it out for me, you can let me know. And um so I think we're going to get to know each other a bit more here which is great and um than we already do. Uh it'll be really good to get over in Bali and do it and just understand what you do and maybe not even just be in a podcast room but get a little bit of what you've been doing as a young person.

The reason is is because I'm getting a lot of people on here and there's a huge lineup and he relationships and all that, but I just don't want to get the people that are already been there and then you're going back over the old journeys like you know already we've done nine nine or so podcasts but but you're on the journey. I am still figuring out your It's funny that I was just on the way here thinking about that thinking about Well, I was thinking about the name. I was thinking about the journey and then I was thinking it's just funny cuz you're when you're in it you want to be there you know you want to be at the end goal like you have to really want to enjoy the whole journey you know it's I was watching I'm going to take this clip out I was watching Jay Shetty and this chick last night uh on a on a potty and she just taught she said you got to enjoy the journey and I I've said this years everyone says it and everyone was like oh it sounds really cringe and like you know but people actually don't they're trying to get to here but It's like you actually got to enjoy it because if you talk money or whatever the measure is and it's there tomorrow, you won't be happy then because the purpose ain't there in the process. So just quickly get on like and share this.

Hopefully Dar gets a new audience when she shares and collaborates with us when we get the reels out and all that kind of stuff um from the code digital team and Mitch. But I was going to say uh that's pretty much it. We may as well get into it. I think everyone knows what the journey is.

Um I think this will be a bit different. Um, I think it'd be really cool and it'd be really cool to follow your journey after this as well. So, and we'll put we'll put all the information and stuff in there. Now, just tell us where you're at.

Let's just kick off there and then I'll I'll just I'll bounce you. You'll get used to me. Yeah. Okay.

Currently in Bali. 28. 28. Yeah.

28. Just turned 20 on Tuesday, so fresh. Oh, did you? Yeah.

Oh, happy birthday. Thank you. Um, yeah, just moved to Bali 2 months ago. So, I was on and off there last year.

um doing my personal training certificate just kind of getting like more into fitness and training and stuff. Um wanted to live there didn't really know how it was going to work. What about in Changangu? Oh, you're in Changangu.

Yeah, like a Peran. So, a little bit outside of the main bit. Um but really wanted to move there. Didn't really know how I was going to make it work cuz obviously if you're training and fighting or trying to do that, you kind of need to work online.

Like, you know, you don't have to, but it's definitely an easier way to be able. Are you only doing that or you got other work or what? So yeah, well that was the whole thing. I really wanted to get my kind of life online so then I could go to Bali.

So I was just really spending 6 months trying to figure it out and I just said to myself, I was like it's I'm going to make this happen. Like it's going to it's going to happen. So like the company that I work for ended up going they have this whole project at the moment working um for in something for the US. So they're opening a store in the US.

So my current role in Perth was going online. So I was like okay let's Perfect. Yeah. weird timing.

So, let's do that. So, then yeah, that um led me to just decide to What do you like about Bali? Just the training. Like, honestly, the you're just healthy there.

Like the lifestyle is great. Like you're you wake up, you go to the gym, you train, you know. Why is this so important to you? Um where's this come from?

Yeah, interesting. Good question. I don't know. I love this.

Yeah, I I think I just need to have always been someone to like really throw myself into something, you know, like 100%. have to do that all every day. Yeah. Just kind of the way that I work.

I'm a little bit of a workaholic. Whether that is work per se, whether this is work, but yeah, I just really love the training. I think it comes from like a really personal deep level of like Yep. Um when I started training, purpose achievement.

Yeah. I was in a really terrible place when I first started. Who you proving this to? Yeah, that's the thing.

You always number one. Myself number one, 100%. I think I owe it to myself to do something cool with my life. I think my parents have sacrificed a lot for us.

And I feel like you said for us, how many siblings you got? Five. Oh, four. Four other siblings.

Yeah, I'm five years. Yeah, there's five of us. Boy, girl, older brother, older sister, two younger sisters. So, I'm the middle.

Wow. Yeah. So, I do feel like that I owe it, not so much owe it to them, but I think I've been given this really great life. My parents moved from the UK to Australia, you know, I've been given What year they do that, do you know?

I was three. I was 3 years old. And you're 28 now, so 25 years ago. Yeah.

Basically, 26, so 2001. Yeah. Good maths. I'd be sitting here like, you know, they gave they've given a lot.

Like my parents sacrificed a lot to to be where we are now. Like I think my life would be so different if you were still in the UK. You know what I mean? If they never did that and Yeah.

Well, um Well, when when do you're 28 now, right? When do you think that point clicked with you? Like you don't hear that from younger people? It's usually like me later you have self-reflection.

You go through the you work out why you are where you are and you peel back the layers, right? Like why at 28 are you like when was the point before 28 that you're like show gratitude? I'm grateful for this and I need to prove or show or take the opportunity that I've been given like moved to Amsterdam. So I moved to Europe on my own when I was 22 23.

Um I had yeah I was a bit like not in a great space. Broke up with my partner of like couple years. Um and then I was like what am I doing with my life kind of thing. So then my best friend was moving to Europe at the time and she was like do you want to come like is this from the UK?

Sorry. No from here. Oh, from Yeah. Yeah.

So, I was Oh, because they come over years ago. Sorry. You're free. My my best friend um she was going to Europe, so she was like, "Just come, you know, if you want to come, just come for a couple months, right?" And I was like, "Yeah, okay." You know, fine.

Went for a couple months. Told my parents I was going for a couple months and they were like, "You're not going to go." And I was like, "Yeah, I'm going to go." Ended up packing one suitcase and I left and then I never came back for 3 years. I stayed over there. How are your parents about that?

I think they understood it cuz they did it, you Oh, they they kind of understood. I think my dad definitely understood more, but it was still really sad. That was obviously really hard for them. Really hard for me.

That was the first time, I think, in my life that I was like on my own, you know, like I just got picked and like put in this different country, different language, different people, different everything. And that made me just do a whole 180 everything. I was the like I'm a completely different person to what I was when I got there to now, which is pretty cool. All right.

Now, now we've had this summary. Now, now what I didn't start with and everyone knows I think now is the journey is about the roadblocks, the risk you take to build the resilience. Now, you just you just hit a couple of real big points, right? And I I love this bit cuz people it's hard for people to answer and then when you start getting into a bit and I I go like this, right?

Yeah. And now what we're going to do is we're going to go back and go, what school did you go to? Penrose. Where?

I don't know it. Uh it's a a school in South Perth. It's a all girls school. Private school.

Is it? Yeah. How was that? Not great.

Okay. Um, do you want to talk about it? Yeah, it was not so much not great. Again, coming back to the whole thing, very grateful, very privileged that my parents my parents sent all of us to a private school.

So, we all went to private school. So, again, very lucky that, you know, we had that opportunity cuz not many people do. Very expensive, all that stuff. Um, I just think that I'm not the type of person that excelled at school.

I was never book smart. you know, science, English, maths was just not my thing. I was very creative. Um, so I did like arts, drama, and everything.

Um, I actually But you're street smart. Yeah. You wouldn't be out. Yeah.

But I think that comes from living and traveling. I think that side of me that's very street smart comes from exposing myself to different cultures outside your comfort zone. Yeah. Where the education side comes from jobs that I've done cuz I've done so many jobs like school.

How common this is though? like the school systems I I say it's pretty I think it is changing right but it's still the same old stuff I reckon in 10 years going to be heaps different it it's kind of I know it's changing slightly but it's still the same old way and not everyone we all learn different we read different we talk at a different age we you go down that rabbit hole we're all different human beings right it's like I was always I was told ages and ages ago like about about anything we need different people to make the world go around if you looked out of a window at a huge car park What do you see? Just a bunch of small things. Cars.

Yeah. Duh. And what do you see? Hundreds of them.

Yep. But what? I don't know. Just different colors, different mates, different.

Okay. So, and I always think about that and that's what makes the world go around cuz we're all different, right? So, you go back to school, different and you're like these people do this or the normal the sheep. But then there's others that don't.

And I was a bit the same. Like I never done homework, never done that. I was pretty switched on so I could always get through it. Yeah.

But I got to like year 11 and I didn't pass anyway. And then I went and worked. But when I worked, but that was where I excelled, right? And and I tell you what, everyone thrives to be, you know, try to be an A+ student or an A student and all that.

And that was always the bit. It's not for me. And it's not for me and my kids because I'd rather be a B or a C student, have street smarts as well, and people people skills number one. Number one, right?

Like my bosses used to tell me like you can't teach people skills, you know? Well, I reckon you can in a way, but a lot of people if you if you're I always say it or engineers, they're the hardest. I've worked with both had them work for me. Yeah.

And they're they're not very good at people skills. They're very good at their job. Yeah. But there's a strength and a weakness.

Yeah. But I think people skills like I always say even business or employment like number one people skills. So now I could go get fish and chip shop or go get something else or it doesn't matter what it is. If you got people skills, you'll get through.

You'll problem solve. Yeah. And how'd we meet? People sitting sitt and you're sitting there and you're like say good day or no doubt I probably buted into a conversation or something you're talking about.

That's usually what happens kind but kindly and also we're sitting here now right so you know and a lot of people are even scared just to go to busy venues on a Monday night. Yeah. But here we are. We just connect and start chatting.

So 100% people skills. I think I think that comes down to a lot of stuff in life though. It does. It does.

Um, so all girls school? Yeah, all girls school. Not a not a sheep back then. Even uh I say sheep, you know what I mean?

Like I wanted to wanted to go to uni, all that stuff. I did fashion design. So I I moved to that's actually my background. I moved to Melbourne when I was 17, I think.

So 18, like straight out of school, went straight over there to study. Um, whereabouts in Melbourne? Uh, on Burk Street. There was a uni called White House Institute of Design.

Y um, so again, very lucky that I could go do that, too. You know, it was great experience for it was two two years, but I didn't excel in it. I kind of, you know, don't know if I could swear on the podcast, but know if you can kind of it up, you know. I was a bit of a Do you know why you can swear on that?

Cuz you're being honest and vulnerable. So, you can sell your um Yeah, I partied a lot. I kind of just Yeah. It up a little bit.

Um and then came home after uni, did some more study at Curtain. Um, and then kind of came home at that point. I was like 21 and I was like, I don't even know if I want to do fashion anymore. Like wasn't really sure.

Um, and then just got a full-time job working in hospitality. And that again what you said before how you just excel at work. I was like working full-time and I think I worked full-time after that until I was like maybe 25, like good four years. And you learned on the job.

Yeah, I learned on the job. I learned everything from hospitality. I always say that it was something that kind of like saved me in a It was like gave me people skills, made me work hard, I did really long hours, you know, like I split shift just like met a lot of people, problem solve. Yeah.

So many people. Um, yeah. So that's cool. That's really cool.

So all girls school and then what' you say 18 roughly you went to Melbourne, did you say? Yeah. Couple of years roughly. Rough timelines.

You come back. Didn't know what you want to do. 21 hospitality. How long for?

I did that years before you went to UK. No, I did it also when I went to Europe cuz I was like oh you would have that a skill that gave me something you know. Uh came back what was I 26 I think. So I did it for most of my 20s.

Um so I did it in Perth. Worked at quite a few venues here and then one of what was the tell us a bit about the venues here. What was a cool one? What was your favorite?

Port is the one that I worked at in um neighbor like neighborhood pub. I helped open that one. I helped open Jetty Bar and eats and Freo. Yep.

um worked at C Paris. So um where else did I work? I've done cafes like Chocolato, Jesse's um yeah, so many venues. That's cool.

Yeah, it's good that you speak highly of it, right? Because Yeah, it is though. It was great. Like I some of my best friends came out of work, you know, my partner came out, my exartner came out of work as well.

So it was like lots of things that I got from hospitality gave me a lot, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But that's because I put so much time and effort into it.

So and I worked hard. It's really you're you're really like and I talk about this a bit being the glass half full or half empty, right? You're a glass half full person, right? By the sounds of it, whether you always were or or whatnot, but like you're grabbing like hospitality.

People can just be like, it's just a filling job or whatnot. And you're like, it taught me where the I am today. Yeah. So, you go back to like we talk about the roadblocks a bit like I'm going to go do fashion.

You go do fashion. You you up, you say. Probably not. There's probably a lot out of it.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't have said that back then. You would had it. You just would have gone, I don't know what I want to do. And probably someone else's fault or whatever at that age.

That's what we all do. But you come back here, you don't know what you want to do. But you probably trust your gut a bit there also, right? Even early days like you you didn't stay in fashion for 5 years trying to make it work when you're like, I don't think I like it.

Yeah. Or I didn't do use it to the best. That's one thing I do do is if I don't like it, I don't I don't continue. That's the individual bit, which that's awesome.

Yeah. Like work it. You're only young. You don't have to work it out.

Yeah. It's true. But you think that you do you know at the time you're like in the days of doing the 30 year careers and all that stuff and even careers like once again in 5 10 years everyone will be working for himself probably and it'll be a whole different dynamic even from where I come from. So so you take you've taken a lot of risks along the way right?

Yes, I have lots of the risk. The big one was Europe. I think now I look back. I think I was crazy to go there when I was by myself at 22, whatever, you know, with my suitcase and I was like, "See you like that." If you were back there again, would you do it again?

I would do it again. Yeah. I wish I could relive that whole time, you know, cuz it was just so profound. Like it always had changed my life a lot.

Like it put me in a completely different direction. It's also uh Amsterdam is where I found kickboxing. Oh, is it? So that for me I look back on it now I'm like if I didn't go there would I have found kickbox done my training you know.

So 22 is when you started doing combat sports. Uh yeah 22 23 I signed up to a gym. So I moved to Yeah. Amsterdam was there for 6 months I think.

Traveled around different places in Europe and then ran out of money. Had no money left. I think everyone does that. Yeah.

I had no money left. I remember being in Italy and having like $250 in my account being like I can't even afford to get my flight home. So I went to stay with my nana who lives in the UK. Stayed with her for 2 weeks and then was like I need to get a job.

So I looked on Facebook marketplace Facebook like page and I found this restaurant manager role for this new venue that was opening up in Amsterdam and luckily the guy's wife who owned it was Australian. So a click. Yeah. I was like click.

Okay. Perfect message. I was like hey I'm Australian. I'm coming to Amsterdam.

Like um you know I'd love to chat about this opportunity. did like a Zoom call the next day, had an interview and they were like, "Can you come to Amsterdam on Friday for another interview?" So, I was like, "Yeah, sure." So, I spent my last money on getting a flight there. I remember I had no money. Talk about being on the wire.

No money for 2 weeks for the first two weeks that I cuz I ended up having an interview, got the job, they were like, "Cool, you can start working full-time." So, I was like, "Thank God." Where'd you sleep? Um, in a hostel. Yep. Yeah.

I stayed in a hostel. I had a little bit of money, you know, to pay for that part, but um was looking for housing and everything. Anyway, got the job, started working there, and then just made so many connections again. Like best some of my best friends came out of that work.

Wow. It was crazy. Like the owner, Nina, she was phenomenal. Um on the bones of the ass, took the risk.

Flew from the UK back to Amsterdam. Crazy. Got the job. That's what I'm saying.

When I think about these things, I'm like, if my little sister told me these, I'll be like, what are you doing? You're crazy. You know, like so wild. And then yeah, I just they just helped me so much.

Like the owner of the restaurant was like, no worries. Like you know, we can help you. So because of that and I got a job, I obviously got a working holiday visa for 12 months. Yeah.

Y So you could stay in the Netherlands for a year and then after that year you either have to get a sponsorship or you have to leave. So came to the end of the year obviously was training a lot during that year. Um didn't want to leave, was really enjoying it. So then I she u what did she do?

She found this other role that was available at another venue and then put my name forward and was like, "Hey, you need to hire this girl. you know, she's great. And then she actually ended up getting me the sponsorships. Then I had an interview with a company over there and they hired me and gave me a sponsorship.

How good. Yeah. So yeah, everything just worked out so well. And then while I was working full-time, I was training and I fought twice during that time.

So that was really hectic. So I was doing like a lot of hours and training a lot. Have you always been pretty healthy? Yeah.

Besides probably when you're young, besides party. That old poison gets you every time. But yeah. Um, but yeah, I have actually.

I've always been sporty. Like, good on you. I like I used to play net when I was younger. Not that that was serious sport for me, but um Yeah, it's it's really really really cool.

And I think you could have either at plenty of times there, right, when you're really let's call them roadblocks between two rocks, right? You could have stuck your head in the sand. Yeah. And blamed everyone else and said, "What's happening to me?" Yeah.

But obviously it was all happening for you. Yeah. And you just worked through it and you're going, "You'll make it happen." Yeah. And look at the outcome.

It's crazy. I just think I never really had another option, you know? Like I was over there and then I got a job and an apartment. So I was like, "Okay, well now, you know, I'm here.

I got to keep keep going." You know, I think you said something earlier about going to Bali and it's like you don't overthink it and plan too much by the sounds of it. And no, it's it's really cool. I love it because like you you I think you might have learned that back then like it's always you're never going to get stuck on trying to work something out cuz you go it'll work out. That's what I do think.

That's the hardest bit ever. Yeah. And you've done it and it worked out. So you're like exactly right.

I I have the very similar It's probably got me through life and that's why I shift industries and you know take risks a fair bit. Now I probably got to pull back a bit and mainly it's because you know you got businesses and people and you got to but I'm I'm like that. I'm like, let's throw ourselves in the deep end. It's like, you know that thing when you're a kid, throw you in the deep end, you learn how to swim, right?

Of course. I do it to myself. And then cuz when you commit, and I don't always follow through, but when you commit, you you've put yourself on the pressure. Yeah.

And you're like, we're very resilient humans, right? Of course. Very resourceful, very resilient. And um Okay.

So, Amsterdam, how how long were you there? Two and a half, three years around that time. Yeah. Yep.

And that would have just built you like where you are today. Mhm. That was 28. That was that was yeah that definitely has built my foundation I So when you got home and you spoke to your parents and you're a different person and really individual how was the chats?

Much better. Cuz I think prior to moving to Europe, they thought you mad being a little bit Yeah. Being a little bit in still in that high school bubble. Being a little bit of a privileged, you know, kid, I don't think I really understood a lot of things that my parents had obviously done for all of us, you know.

So when I I think I just became a lot more grateful every time I came home to Australia. I was like, "Wow, we live in such an incredible country." How many times you come home when you're over in Amsterdam? I think maybe three, not that much once a year. So, say the three times, right?

Was it a bit different every time you come home and chat to your parents? You're getting a bit older and mature. Yeah. You you know, you pro you'd be changing and probably starting to talk about things and having a bit more gratitude.

Yeah. I remember having a conversation with mom probably the second or third time I came home maybe and I was just like apologizing to her cuz I was like I feel like I was such a little you know like and then I I said to them like that made me like really realize a lot of things you know you're in a completely different country by yourself on your own like no one knows you you kind of have it's kind of cool you can kind of like reinvent yourself a little bit you know y quite amazing so I think I think that's really cool that you say that cuz you you would have to learn to be kind. You couldn't be entitled. Yeah.

At points you had no money. So, you're going to be talking to people and asking favors, which not a lot of people are good at, but that would have broke your walls down, right% time alone, like so much, which I think is probably one of the things that I I do well is like I have to spend a lot of time by myself, you know, which is why you don't miss. You're not that instant reactor. Yeah.

So spent a lot of time over there on my own. Like the first year was a probably a really pivotal like was it like this though? Like I'm lonely and then learning to be in it and then go I'm succeeding. I'm cool with being alone.

Yeah. It was I listen to a lot of podcasts as well about like that alone period is kind of like a um ne necessary part of like success in a way or not just success but like learning about yourself. You really have to go through that. I was only talking about this yesterday.

I struggled with this until probably only the last couple of years. I was the opposite, right? I never had that alone time. Yeah.

And that's interesting. And Yeah. And and and that's why you go work and you work 15 hours a day. Yeah.

And you always got to be doing something. You're jam-packed. And I'm like, go back a few years. I was socialite, not a lot of people.

And I was always that probably big reason I broke my marriage. And I I didn't learn that till after I split with my ex-wife. And I look back and I like I was never really when I was a kid there was little abandonment stuff and all that but from then it was like left home shifted worked on farm shifted to Tazzy then joined the Navy then come to WA and I was always with people so I come here in ' 04 now I was only had a meeting with a client yesterday morning and we're heaps alike and we talked about this whole he's still now to this day and his wife tries to slow him down and he's so grateful. Yeah.

And he goes but I still got to work I can't just sit at home. So, he's learning that and he's got 10 years on me and um I've leed that more in the last two years and I'll tell you where it was when I first split I went and done the cactus the psychedelic thing here. Interesting. I won't say where or who.

Yeah. But the person said to me the next morning after 16 hours Mhm. And it was game changing. I'm going to talk about this a lot more, right?

Because it was all about self-development when I left and I'm a roller coaster high low for them same reasons. Yeah. And I said to him the next morning, I said, "How come back 15 years? How come you you done this and you become and now he does the whole psychedelic thing, the cactus?" And he's like, "Because I didn't love love myself." And I'm like, "Yeah, I've heard that heaps, but I've never got it.

I'm pretty open-minded, right?" Yeah. And he goes, "No, no, I'll reframe it. I didn't love to be in my own space, which means I didn't love myself and my own, you know, environment and whatnot." And, you know, then it goes to drug addiction, alcohol, and all that stuff. And he was a legend.

And he I've heard that heaps. But that moment shifted it for me. So since then, even the next day, cuz you don't eat for a few days before you go out there and all that. I went and had lunch by myself even still to this day cuz I live by myself in an apartment cuz we split.

So when I haven't got my kids, I'll go and have dinner, have a steak, I'll go to restaurants, go and people can't do that. How that was my next sentence. I spoke about this twice yesterday. Two different people.

Right. Every morning I have a coffee by myself. I will go have a coffee and sit by myself for like an hour and a half. And it's funny when you do it yourself and you look around and you see how many people actually do that solo kind of work.

But in Amsterdam per se, you sometimes look around you're like, "Oh, I'm the only person here by myself." You know what I mean? Yeah. Not not many people can do it, especially in everything's a competition or put a fa I was talking to a close friend last night. She was saying about she's learned a lot about how you you put a face on, right?

And um and me and her actually talk about this a bit. We've seen each other for a bit and it's like you put all these facads on but when you split when you divorce she's 40 just in her 40s and so am I. So it's like you reflect on all this and that is probably one of my biggest wins splitting is like with the work on yourself bit right later in life. That's why I love that you are already in that bit and knowing your journey now, you know, like and that's why that Amsterdam piece is a big piece of building your resilience and it's cuz it's about building your own first.

Yeah. Working on yourself even in a marriage and even me and this other partner we talk and we're like we got to work on ourselves cuz you you try and fix the other, you try and work on the other and it's because we're trying to run away from our own space. Whether it's drinking, whether it's anything else or work. Work's probably one of the biggest for me.

Yeah, I was arguing with the wife and I'd come here. I'd be in here till midnight. Like, and I'm like, I'm coming home at 8:00 and she'd be ringing. I'm like, but you don't realize it's subconscious as well.

You might not even be arguing, but you're not comfortable. So then you run and you It's avoidance. Yeah, it is. And it comes from childhood.

Yeah. It's Everything comes back from when you're a kid, doesn't it? Yeah. I listen to so many podcasts about this.

Everything comes back. I I love that you do. We should chat offline about this. It's the first three years of your life where you I'm going to up the statistic, but I was reading about it.

Apparently, it's the most profound time of your life is when you're from 1 to three. So, whatever happens in that time frame is what affects you later down the line. I don't know. I don't know if that's that kicks my ass as a father because I I know cuz I I grew up in a bit of broken family and all that stuff, drugs, alcohol, violence.

But I I think about that a lot. It's really cool that you say that at your age cuz it really kicks in in your 30s and 40s for people from my generation. So obviously it's great that there's so much more information out there now and people understanding it cuz I I do think that the things that happened or the things that are happening now in my life is like a bit relatable to when I was a kid. You know, you can see like things from when you were younger.

It's a self work and it and did you know and this here I I I bring up heaps. 95% of your brain is subconscious and 5%'s conscious and the subconscious I think I've mentioned this in two three podcasts. So your subconscious you don't have a choice over. It's your environment growing up in the early days.

Now I seen a life coach a couple years ago. Yeah. A year year and a bit ago. And she taught me all that a fair bit.

And that game changed me. Mhm. Because so what I try and work on now whether it's triggers from a partner or you know I'm this ancient style. You want to talk about style attachment styles.

on the anxious and my my my two my wife and even the lady I seen recently she's um the avoidant right and the shut down and I never learned that with my wife and I wish I did but I've learned it now and I do heaps around it because I'm the anxious and then you're like you chase a bit and you're like but what helps that is learning to be in your own space 100% and not reply instantly on insta is why you're good at it you're like hey I'm doing me. I'll reply when I want. I've gone down this rabbit hole so much. And I still do every day.

Gabber Mate. Mhm. Do you know who he is? No.

No. Oh, he's the Michael Jordan. He's the god of all this, right? Trauma, childhood stuff.

I I'll talk about trauma for a sec, right? And I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but it's not the event, and this is just older generations. It's that emotion that comes after the event. So, go and ask anyone that had trauma and go, did you tell anyone?

M it's not having a safe space to talk talk about it. Now the reason I really concentrate on this because I go back to my marriage and then you know when me and the wife argued whatever I reflect on that and I I it makes me upset but I'm like was I a bad dad? My kids all we want to do is give them a safe space to talk and communicate, right? And that's big because it's actually that it's not the event.

Now I've got a couple of clips I'll send them to you and you understand this a lot and and you'll just click with it. It's unbelievable. Obviously, I think you've had a pretty good you've had a pretty good uh life. No doubt you've had your things.

Everyone's got that stuff. And I I was talking to one of my clients yesterday and I'm like, the pro the difference is though, Alex, right, is go back 20, 30 years, 40 years. The reason I moved out of home is cuz of my stepdad, right? Now, he's one of the closest people I am to now.

Now, how do I do that? Forgiveness. Mhm. Now, you go back to this piece, right?

M when you understand where they at their generation usually and my mom they didn't show love or they didn't do whatever or done whatever because that's only what they know. It's like me now. So when I sit at home now Mhm. my life coach told me a year ago and it clicked and it was 2 minutes before the end of the session and it put me in tears and she goes Paul have some selfcompassion.

Self-compassion because you only know what you know like and it just it just clicks right. I feel like now you'll understand what your parents went through because now you're a parent where I feel like for us we don't understand that cuz we we have and the more will come out for you. It'll come out when you get older which is kind of but you're already well ahead of the game and I love that. Yeah.

But I was also like you can only really meet people where you're at where like you're at they're at. And also y you like I look at my parents sometimes and I'm like you're so annoying. Why didn't you do this this or this this? And then you think okay well they're also living their life.

Like they're not just parents, you know? They're like they have their own life and they're deciding and they do the best they can with what they got. Yeah. And they're living their life the way that they want to live it just how I'm living mine.

So I can't judge them just because they're supposed to be a parent. You know what is a parent? Where's the rule? Yeah.

Exactly. There's no right or wrong to any of this. Is the needle moving forward? A daughter and a sister and you know like all that.

Yeah. So it's interesting. Did the needle move forward for you? Me?

Yes, it did. Yeah. There was Yeah. Right.

And my parents didn't know any better than what they knew. And so with yours, but yours did move. Like this is this is why when you walked in here and you sat down, you're like, I'm so grateful and I got the opportunity. I got to use it to the best of my advantage.

That's amazing to do that because there's no there's no worse or better for anyone. We've all got our own book and our chapters, hence the whole scope to this, right? The journey. And mine is my most important to me.

Yours isn't. I love doing this. And not many people really do listen to other people because no one really gives a about your and there's no one else to save you except yourself, right? As we always say and but there is so much truth in that.

Y um you being so grateful for that though and then going I'm going to do the best I can. That's awesome. So when you do have kids, if you have kids, that role model piece and that attitude that is the bomb for that year 1 to three to five to seven. Yeah, it's huge.

It is huge. It's really really cool. It is huge. We went down a rabbit hole there.

We did. I I I didn't think we would talk about anything to do with that in here, but you uh No. Yeah. Peel the layers back.

Let's talk about the the kickboxing and what it's done for you because that that there helps you get through it. I want to go down another rabbit hole. I love it. I love it.

Yeah. This is a big piece cuz this is probably what I know you for. Yeah. So, when we met Yeah.

Yep. here. Live Perth, Barley, whatever. But really all I've seen and followed you on Insta and socials is you want to train, you want to coach, you want to be healthy, you've got this big mission on it.

Tell us about the mission. You've told us a little bit about why, but from when you were 22, 23, you signed up Amsterdam kickboxing. What happened from there? Yeah, I joined the gym and there was there was a couple girls there that were like, "Oh, we're fighting, you know, in a couple couple months.

You should sign up." And I never like when I say that I stepped into the gym and I never heard anything about boxing, kickboxing, fighting, nothing. Didn't even know it existed. Did not know it was this big. Like, you know what I mean?

Didn't know the industry was this big at all, which is cool. Bit naive, you know? So, out of out of your comfort zone. Yeah, 100%.

I just wanted to get fit. And then, yeah, they were like, you know, if you want to sign up and fight, you should do it with us. So, I was like, Yeah. So, you only just started 3 years ago.

You No, you were 23 or year 23. No, I was 23. Yeah. So, 23 and you're 28 now.

So, 5 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So, you only started kickboxing 5 years ago.

What about your size and your fitness and all that kind of stuff? And you I'm not trying to be personal. No, of course. I was I think Well, yeah, that was also when I moved to Europe, I was really skinny cuz I just went through a breakup.

So, I was like 8 kilos lighter. I was That's kind of what I was getting. Yeah. So, I was like when I started I was not didn't really have much of a physique.

I was like skinny but I didn't have any muscle or anything. Y and then obviously starting that training that I' got so much. Yeah. Which is good.

And then now, well, I'm fighting in a couple weeks. We'll go into that, but I've had to drop weight. So um but yeah anyway went to the gym signed up trying to sign up to fight um did training for 3 months I think it was 3 months intensive like back to back you know 5 days a week kind of thing was still working full-time at that point so it was quite hectic um yeah and I don't even know what it was I think getting in the ring I lost my first fight I think that was a big driver for me to go back again and do it again cuz I was like I went I got pretty sad that I lost you know yeah I think it's just like Yeah. But what did it do for you?

Yeah. It gave you more fire, you know, like it resilience. Yeah. Like so.

And with the gym that I was training at, it was kind of you were fighting someone from the gym as well. Like obviously it was serious, but it was my first fight and also my opponent's first fight. I was about to ask you that. Yeah.

What was your opponent like? So, was it close or was it um I can't even remember. No, no, I don't think so. She She was training for a lot longer than me, you know?

So, she What was your confidence? Like, I would have broke your confidence losing, but what was it like going in when you're scared? Like, can you remember the first time you walked in? Petrified.

Yeah, that was I reckon that was the scariest thing I' ever done in my life. Yeah, that first time that walking in. Yeah, my adrenaline was through the roof. I was like shaking like I was so I get really nervous.

Something that I I get Yeah, I always get really nervous even in school like if I was performing. You're doing pretty well now. Yeah. I mean, I still get nervous, but I was so nervous for that first one.

Um, but it was pretty cool, you know, that I did it and forget how brave it is to So, what was the feeling after it even though you lost that you just completed it? The the fact that I I always just remember coming out of the ring also halfway through I was like thought I was going to die. Like honestly, my heart was like on fire. I thought I was going to die.

I was like halfway through and I was like, "What the hell?" You know, it's so hard. Um, but I think coming out of it, I thought if I can do that, anything in my life is easy. Boom. That's a nugget.

Like anything in my life since that point I found not easy per se, but if you can go into that and get punched and kicked by someone for like 5 minutes longer than that, you can anything is there's not much that you can't get through and and and put stack that stack that on top of going to Amsterdam, right? No money, taking doing it in a different country, you know, doing the jump to the job. I'm talking about no money like that bit there built this resilience you had. Cuz if you got through that, you're like, "Mhm, I went there with no money, slept in a hostel, blah blah blah." Right.

And then you go and do terrible hostel. Also traumatic. Was it Was it really bad bad nightmares? Yeah.

No. Yeah. It's funny. Um, and then stack the next biggest resilience piece, probably one of the biggest in your life.

Yeah. On top of that. Like this is why you're doing what you want to do now. This is why you you're going to be a really great role model and probably already are to a lot of young people.

Like how cool is that? It is cool. So yeah, I had that one lost and then I was like, "No, I want to go back and win." So how long did it take you to say that to yourself? Was it a day?

Was it a week? Like when did you go I'm digging my heels back in. I'm going to go again. Probably like a week, I reckon.

Yeah. Yeah. You stuck your head in the sand for a week. I kept training after.

Yeah, I did. I I think it was in November and then I was going home to Australia. So I had a bit of time off. Like I still train but I went home for Christmas and then when I was at home I was like, you know, I want to do it again.

And then I signed up when I was in Australia for the second round which was in May. So, it was like 6 months later that I went back in for the second one. What happened? Trained a lot harder this time.

Took it a little bit more seriously. Um, well, you knew more. You knew what to expect. Still really nervous, you know, of course.

Um, this one was for a bit of a bigger promotion. It was called Fight Fans. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's a one in the Netherlands. Um, and yeah, did it again.

And then I won. And then I think after feeling like you can win it, feeling like you can win after you know having to talk yourself into the fact that you are better. Like the whole thing for that time I reckon for me was like thinking oh she's better than me she's better she's going to win she's better than me you know what I mean so it's you really got to talk yourself into that obviously all about mindset you know cuz you hadn't had that you hadn't had that win you hadn't had that I can do it that confidence I I lost so the whole thing was like I lost my last one I was like am I going to lose again you know what I mean like you go so when you walked into the ring and you're thinking like that right you walk in and you think like but you took it you took you obviously had there must have been hope there though that gave you extra because you just said to me you trained harder. You took it more seriously.

So, you're like you're hoping you get the leg up on it, right? Or you know, get the upside. Now, when in the fight, did it really? Did it click?

And you're like, I can do cuz there must have been cuz you wouldn't have won otherwise. My coach yelled at me and said, "Darcy, you're winning." And that I heard that and I was like, "I'm going for it." And I This is the point in the video where I'm just like one I'm straight punching her. It's really funny. So yeah, that was I just heard that and I was like that just sent me cuz you don't know when you're in there.

Yeah, you're getting you're giving punches, but you're also receiving punches. And obviously the feeling of receiving punches is like 10fold. 10fold cuz you think if I'm receiving it means I'm losing I'm losing. I'm losing.

You know what I mean? But you have to be confident. You're also hitting. Yeah.

You're also hitting back. You know during that time period I fought with my best friend Brit at the time. She was also fighting. So that for me was also really cool cuz we trained heaps together.

How long has she been doing it and how many fights she I think she had a couple she was doing it God I don't even know couple years as well. Um, so it was great to have someone to do it with, you know, but I think after that, I took it more seriously again. And then, yeah, I think the whole thing for me is I I feel that when I was younger, I didn't really have like a voice or um like not being listened to a lot, you know? So, I feel like for this whole sport, for me, it was like I can be seen and also win.

It's like a bit of a and and it was your own choice and owned from the start. It's like proving to myself that I'm worth So yeah, sorry. Yeah, exactly what you just said, right? I love this.

So you I'm going to assume something here and tell me if I'm wrong. Go back to the whole I'm not listen to, I'm not that. Is that cuz the stereotype of maybe being entitled private school maybe that that piece that cuz you said that earlier, right? And you're like would you call it privilege?

All that kind of stuff. And and it's probably in your head a lot of the time. I don't get listened to all this because I'm this and and you your parents put you there. Now you've gone and you've gone I've done this from scratch the whole time myself and shifted that and that's in your own head in the end.

Most of our is in our head. Yes. 100%. There's no one that's done anything to me that made me feel that way.

It's all all self-inflicted, you know. But you don't you only know what you know, right? But you've gone and just shifted your whole mindset and whole life moving forward, whole journey moving forward because you've like done all this on your own. I was very not like I wasn't very confident though when I was younger, nor was I very like loving myself and stuff like I was never really on that spectrum at all.

Like I really had to do like I've done a lot of work on that and it's definitely helped me get there, you know. And yeah, the reason why I' I've done it cuz it's just helped my confidence and everything. So I I think I think and there's nothing wrong with there's no wrong or right with all this. I think when you're a kid, you you only kind of go where you are and your mindset's at and it's like to to throw yourself in the deep end and go out of your comfort zone um and go and do that.

It's amazing. Yeah. I think you going overseas would have helped with that. Yeah, definitely.

First the first step to it. Hey, I've done that. Came after. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you got no judgment really cuz you're not in your hometown. So, it would have in in a way be hard but help also. I'll go fight cuz I don't know anyone.

Know anyone? I'm going to go to the gym. I don't even know what kickboxing is. Yeah.

I mean, when I say I was terrible when I started, I was terrible. Like shocking. So, it's pretty funny. And you know, now you look back and you're like, "Oh, how many fights you had all up?" I've had two.

I got my third one coming up. So, you're 24, second one, one or 25 might have been. Yeah. Yeah.

Won your second one. Changed world, your mindset, your life like and and then you had hope, you had confidence, probably more than hope. Yeah. Before now though, so that was what 5 years ago.

Four, four, three, four, three, four years ago. What did you do in that period? You just been training? No.

So, I was living in Amsterdam. I left um left Yeah. like 3 years ago, came back. I was working full-time jobs.

So, I was working in hospitality for a really big hospitality group in the Netherlands. I opened a couple restaurants for them. So, I was working full-time and I kind of got to a point where I was like, you know, B I just felt like Bali was calling me, like calling my name a little bit. Cool.

Always thought about going, you know, watched a lot of videos of like people just training in Thailand and Bali and I was like, "Oh, I really want to do this, you know, but I had a life in Amsterdam, but it got to the point where I was like 2 and a half years in and I had a sponsorship and if you left the job that you were in, your sponsorship would get obviously, you know, made redundant. You'd have to leave. So, I was like had a bit of a thought process at that point. Do I want to stay in Europe?

Do I want to, you know, make a life here? Do I want to go back to Australia? So, that was like a really hard decision for me cuz I was like, I don't know. I'm about to give up, you know, my friends, my job, y everything.

But I had this feeling that I wanted to kind of pursue this a little bit more. Now I look back, great decision, best decision I made for myself. But at the time I was like that was really that was risky and you were the road. Yeah.

I was like I don't know what to do, you know. So I ended up quitting my job which made my sponsorship also quit. So how long did you have then when that happened to get out of there? Uh I think you had a a month maybe.

Yep. Okay. So you knew there was pressure on you had you had to shift. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so decided to come back to Australia and then went through Bali on my way home, trained at the block where I'm at now. Um, and I was like, "Oh my god, this is so great." You know, but I I was really burnt out at that time cuz I was obviously working so much.

I also was a bit confused about what I was doing. Did I make the right decision? Um, so so when was that? How long ago is that?

Just to put us back on the timeline, that was 2 years ago. Yep. Yeah. So not that long ago.

No. No. So like 23 24. Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. and then came to barley like year. Yeah.

Trained at the block. What month of the year was it? End of the year. December.

Oh, so it was December. Yeah. Sorry, November time. I left in October.

Yeah. So, it was I was there for a month and a bit. Came back for Christmas. And then wanted to do fitness.

I kind of just decided I wanted to switch industries. You know, I've been working in hospitality for 6 years. I was done with it. Like I, you know, it served its purpose, but I got all your learnings.

Yeah. I needed something else. So, obviously my dad works in the sporting industry kind of thing. So he was like, you know, why don't you do do your personal training certificate?

Can I ask where he works, what he does? He used to be the head coach of Perth Glory. Yep. Um for a long time and then now he's his background is also engineering.

So he does a lot of coaching coaches at Perth um Perth Soccer Club. Yep. So in the soccer scene, which is really cool. Um nice.

And he was like, why don't you do your personal training certificate, you know, just do some sort of like fitness if that's what you want to do. So then I looked at places here, but it was like a 9 month maybe a year's diploma and then I think I was just googling and then there was a academy in Bali that was doing it and it allowed you to get your level four and five certificate in like 2 months. Yep. So a bit quicker.

Also love Bali. So I was like perks you know could go back and get to know it more. Yeah. Get to know it more.

So went back did my course completed my certification and um so sorry just on that. Did you live there for the two months? Yeah I did. Yeah.

Oh, that's like a guest house, you know. It was like a bunch of students doing it together. It was so fun. Can I ask some what's something like that cost?

Uh, it was 4,000 for the two months for the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good.

Yeah. So, it's pretty good because you pay a bit more and if you at uni, you know, it's a bit more expensive, bit longer. So, I was like, I kind of just want to get qualified to be able to cuz my main thing was like I want to I want to teach women like I want to coach and I want to train PT girls. I was like, I don't want to go super in-depth, but I want to have, you know, some sort of qualification behind me.

My experience comes from my training anyway, but you know, I want to be qualified enough to be to be So, was that in 2024 or 25? Last year. That was so 25. Yeah.

What months? Beginning of the year. Yeah. So, like Jan, Feb or Feb March or something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. And then did that um when did we meet? Can you remember?

Was it 7 months ago? Six, seven, eight. Six, seven. No, I reckon it was longer than that.

12 months. Yeah. Over a year ago. Because Yope was here.

Cuz where? Cuz Yeah. Your mate was leaving. Yeah.

And he went he hasn't been back in a while. Sorry. What month were you now? March.

It would have been around Christmas time. So, was it So, was it before you done that training? Yeah. Yeah.

No, before. Before. Yeah. Was it really time goes, doesn't it?

Cuz you you were just going to barley then. Yeah. I was just going. Yeah.

That's when I was just leaving. Yeah. So, yeah. Pretty funny.

And then I completed my course. Um was came back to Perth cuz I was like, "Okay, I'm going to set up my coaching business here." Original idea. And then got injured. So, yeah.

So that set me back. That sent me into my knee. My got no cartilage left. Didn't tear my miniscus but was looking that way.

Yep. Just had like a golf ball size bruising. Had a lot of bone bruising. How did you do training?

Overtraining. Yeah, I think did you put it on socials? I think I remember not looking after myself that much. Um going into Yeah.

overt training which wasn't obviously very good. So I finished my certificate. I think I got it from doing the course cuz it's very intensive. It's like practical in the morning and then um theory in the afternoon for like the whole time every day, you know, 5 days a week.

So, it was pretty intense. Came back, my knee was a bit funny. It just felt a bit weird. So, I was like, "Oh god." So, I went to see my physio and um he was like, "Yeah, you can't train for 3 months." So, I was like, "Oh my god, I'm going to die if I can't train for 3 months, you know?" Yeah, that was a another pivotal point cuz that was like who am I without training and who am I without kickboxing and boxing, you know, you're shifting your identity and then you got this big roadblock.

Yeah, that was a massive one. Yeah, did not enjoy it at all. So, how'd you pivot? What'd you do and what was the positive crying, you know, a lot of um sadness, but I was like, okay, I need to get over this, you know.

Um, how long did that go for before you kicked your own ass and dug your heels in again? About the whole injury period was about 4 months I reckon. So no. How long how long were you a bit upset before you dug your heels in and go?

I reckon like after the fight right 2 months I reckon I was pretty for it. Yeah. So were you like with mom and dad or like Yeah. And also that was back home.

So when I obviously came back from Amsterdam Bali the first time I came back home and live with my parents which is fine but then went to Bali for that time. So I was like, "Oh, fun." And then came back with them. And then being injured, not doing anything in my parents house was like, "Not the vibe, you know." Um, not not the place that you want to be. This is generation words.

Not the vibe. No, not the vibe. Not not where you want to be. So do do you just tell us about that a little bit, right?

Cuz you're going to be this individual person off. You've done all this stuff. You for you, you've This is amaz I don't know if you know how amazing this is. someone at your age changing their identity and not caring what anyone thinks.

You probably do at some stage, but shifting it and then you go and get a smack in the face or a injury. Yeah. Like to even be in your 20s and changing your identity, right? And then you got to go sit at home when you're so independent and you're trying That was the thing.

I was like I I am so independent that I was almost like Yeah. just questioning everything, you know? So, how should I even continue to do this sport? I in my opinion I'm late to the game.

You know, there's a lot of bet not. Yeah, I know. That's what one guy told me some coach a couple months ago. He was like, oh, you're young for this.

And I said, excuse me, what do you mean? Like, I think I started late. I know that you should mess. Yes.

And you go, I wish I' done it then. But you wouldn't have been there if you didn't do what you do. Correct. But anyway, I think starting, you know, that at this age is Yeah.

Shouldn't say that I'm late cuz I'm not, but you know what I mean. early. You're in your 20s. Most don't even work it out in their 20s.

True. I'm telling you, definitely. You obviously probably follow Gary Vee and Yes. I love him.

He's actually a big inspiration for me, I think, because I could tell by a couple of things that you said. I've been following for years, right? I've met him twice. Yeah.

He said like, you know, you're in your prime years. Actually, I met him once, but I've been through two of his things. Yeah. He ising unbelievable.

Like, and it's why I keep saying to you Mhm. like go work it out in your 20s. like there's none of this. You got to work it out 18, 17, 19.

And he's he's really good on that. He's really big about empathy, kindness, all that kind of stuff and working hard. I got his shoes that got hustle on his original shoes he brought out years ago with hustle and grind but he shifted but like the whole identity piece and not giving a what anyone says which is a huge thing. I I don't I tell you a quick story and I haven't told anyone this.

My my team know this. I got this guy that has been helping me build the personal brand for this over the last three years now, right? And I done 40 hours with I done a couple hour recording but we spent 40 hours on this branding piece which I haven't really launched properly yet. And he goes love Gary Ve don't and I'm like yeah I said I met him in that.

He goes mate you're so much like him like actually are I kind of agree with that and and I've always thought it but no one ever really said it to me but I've just always thought it and I'm like cool cuz I really I really relate to him. He's so logic. He calls the bull. Yeah he does.

Like your mom and dad are the worst cuz they're meant to protect you. Like I sit here for hours talk about it. Right. But he's like, "You mentioned Gary Vee, but you are so much like him." And I'm like, there's so much I really respect out of him for it.

And it was really cool. And he's a big inspiration for this. I probably wouldn't have started that if I didn't follow him in four years because I should have listened to him though. Just start and it's like you I'll just go and we'll work it out.

It's like I I love that. It's like Nike just do it. Work it out later. Robins as well.

Do you don't know if you know every night? Yeah. But she was saying you know her story like I was in debt when she let them. Yeah.

Amazing. So, she's a huge one as well. But it's true. I think when you're younger, you think that you're not you're still old, you know, like you're you're too old to start.

I'm 42 new. Yeah. Right. But then you hear of other people like that have done this sport and they started at like 24, you know, which is still still Have they got the streets smart?

You got Have they traveled? It's just more the 30 mark for me is a bit daunting. I think I thought when I was younger I was going to be not any further along or whatever. Could I ask you something about that being a female?

Is it more about that you haven't got your career yet to maybe you'll settle with kids? Because that that's it. I've learned this from exes my wife like the whole 30 is a big piece if you haven't had kids yet and all that and there's no rule book. People have kids later or don't have kids and that's okay also.

But do you think maybe subconsciously that's a big part cuz you're like when am I going to settle down and Yeah, I do. You got to find someone. I want to. Have you found any fighting?

Are you still single or? Yes, I'm still single. Yeah. Oh, we won't talk about him.

Yes, I'm still single. Um, but I think the 30 mark is pretty big for women because I feel like I think in fighting specifically because obviously, you know, if you're now the next like four years will be the most pivotal part of my training, right? Yep. So, that mark is like when you're supposed to have kids, you know?

Yeah. Like you see a lot of people that a lot of fighters and stuff that have kids. Um and it's like it's crazy that you can have so many kids and then still bounce back and then still fight. It's like inspirational in my opinion.

Amazing. Someone I don't know well but you probably you might know better than me. We haven't talked about the combat sports industry much. So Riddlers.

Mhm. Who's the wife there? Who who know? So Riddlers.

Oh yeah. Um the gym park and I can't remember. I've talked to him a heap of times. The owner there, the main director.

his wife, she was pregnant, training, had a kid, come back. Like she's a beast. Go follow her. And I don't know her, but someone showed me her one day when she was uh pregnant and then had bubs.

That's why women like that. I love Wicked story. So, you know, it sets an example that's doable. Like there's a girl who trains out of Phuket Fight Club called Alicia.

Um she's really famous and she has like three boys and she's still she's like a one championship, you know, like it's it's crazy. So, Exactly. It's definitely doable, but it's more like it's daunting though is what you're saying is and you got to be concerned about it. You're a female.

You're a woman. Your body's different to men. Like there's all this stuff that that could happen. Yeah.

It'll be what it'll be. But it's good that you're concerned about that. And I thought maybe subconsciously that's probably what you you start to think about it. or even consciously you like conversation with my girlfriend this morning cuz she's like 30 and she's like you know like certainly no but she's saying you know they start settling down like and I'm like you don't the rule book yeah I'm so not I'm not a walking example of the rule book I mean so many of my friends have will have got married and um getting houses and you know boyfriend still single no house you know like housing is a mug games white picket fence the whole safety Yeah, look at the world right now with finance changing the fiat to digital and all that is old school.

Yeah, there is no rule. It is true. What's the main thing when you get out of bed in the morning? I don't be happy.

Yes. And and and try and know your purpose or why because that's what makes you happy. It's not about money. It's not the white picket fence.

It's not the settling with kids. I've got friends now like very close friends that actually come in this office weekly. They've chosen not to have kids and like go back 30 years. People probably look at that weird.

Yeah, there is no rule book. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I agree with that.

I definitely think that's more of something I've been thinking about lately is that, you know, you don't have to you don't have to do everything else everyone else is doing also than live your own. I think you've done that for a long time. Yeah. I love it.

All right, let's go. Let's go back to your story. Your training um where we were at with that the kickboxing. So, you got hurt injured.

Yeah. And then you kicked your own ass rehab coach for my knee. He works with a lot of UFC guys. Um I was like local here.

No, he's from Brisbane. Steven. Yeah. Um and he was amazing.

He got me back on track and really helped me like in the gym. I I kind What's his last name? Say I don't know how to pronounce it properly. Um me, but yeah, incredible.

He works. He's quite, you know, famous and quite well known. Y So I was like, I want, you know, the real deal to otherwise I'm going to I don't want to, you know, waste any time kind of thing. Mhm.

Um, so I did that and then I was just doing strength training for the whole time. Well, not even strength training, just like exercises. So that was hard. It was like you go from kicking a bag, you know, all day to just doing like exercises in the gym.

And I find strength training quite boring. So it is what it is. And then I yeah finished just kind of finished my rehab and then decided to go back to Bali. So was just working yeah as I said before for the job that you know changed onto online and then So what's this job?

What do they do? Um, it's got a company called We Were Australian. Um, basically bringing Australian brands into the US market. So, they're opening store.

Yeah. Opening a store in. So, e-commerce stuff is Yeah. Just marketing e-commerce.

Um, which So, how long you done that for? Cuz you you did text me about this the other day and we haven't spoke about it. You said, "Hey, do you need help or anything like you know what? I I was going to wait till you're in here and we chat about it." But so, what how long you done this for?

So, I didn't study yet, but I obviously did something. Yeah. Like I'm I've been I think what was a pivotal part for me was like deciding to post on social media and just like going just telling myself. Were you okay with that or not?

Full swing. No, cuz at the beginning I was like, "Oh, you know, you think you look cringe and you know, you think you're trying." Did Gary Vee help with that a lot? Kick your ass. Of course, you know, and you think that people are judging you and all that stuff, but I think it was probably one of the best things I've done in the past.

You're inspirational there. Yeah. But, you know, that took me a lot to be like, "Fuck it. I don't care about what anyone thinks.

This is the direction I want to go in." You know, I only kicked this I only hit that point four or five months ago, if not sooner. And now I actually I actually got and done a video and I'm like, I got mates messaging me like, "What are you getting on you know?" And I'm like, I feel sorry for them. I'm like, I don't give a what anyone thinks. Be like, "Oh, you trying to be a fitness influencer?" And I was like, you're annoying.

Do you know what outweighs it? you know, including yesterday is sen like I do stupid in my lift. Do you know how many people there is people that laugh? Do you know how many people go I look forward to this motivation and all I'm doing is making noise or saying good morning.

You'll be surprised when people say that. They say that oh it's so cringe but then you keep watching it. You keep watching it and let's be real. You're the one that's also consuming.

That was the thing for me. It was like if I'm consuming so much content, why am I not putting it out there? Yeah. 100%.

you know, and and it's a 180. When someone's got something negative to say, I like Gary talks about this all the time, right? Feel sorry for them. They're the ones that they're the ones that are a bit more shallow and and and can't express, right?

So, they have a little pick or a dig. And it might not even be mean, but it's like they're trying to be involved more to the point. Yeah, of course. And it's like just content, content, content.

Like that's what the world is. We learn. Yeah. And I think if you have a great personal brand, like I think that's opened a lot of doors for me is like starting to post online and working on my personal brand and I when I started posting kickboxing videos so now a lot of people know me.

How long you done that for? Let's talk about this. So you've done that for a year now. So when you first done it obviously you just had to go I'm not going to listen to anyone and just go against your feeling.

Right. So obviously my in like I mostly do on Instagram but my that was my normal account. That's where I posted my personal stuff but then I was like should I just change it? you know, I've already got nearly 4K.

So, I was like, should I just change changed my personal stuff to like my fitness stuff and then I kind of just started posting fitness content and then that kind of led me to like, you know, what were the little what was so say when you just roughly right when you started doing it and this is to help anyone else out there about this cuz you're in your 20s, you you're making all these shifts and changes out of your comfort zone, which is awesome. So, how long did you do it for before you got the positive message and that like the negative for a sec? Because then it gives you more because me now this is why I I flow now right I tried to do this like a year ago I couldn't do it but now it's like when you get messages you know how many people go and we had no wall up or anything and they're like Paul keep doing I love what you're doing every day I got insurers I got friends also one person to be like hey that's really cool how long did it take you to get that one person and then go I'm going to do it again I'm going to like a couple I mean I had the I remember having the conversation with one of my friends fem from from the Netherlands and she was like just do it like who cares you know like just do it What about the regret if you don't? She was like, yeah, she I think she replied to one story and was like, "Yes, I'm so happy you started doing it, you know, started posting cuz I talked about it for a while before about making like videos and things." And then, yeah, a couple people just replied and was like, "This is really cool." You know, and then after that, it was probably like I maybe Yeah, it was about a year ago, I started posting and then maybe a couple months ago, one girl came up to me on the beach in Bali and was like, she was literally sitting on her phone.

This is so funny. True story. She was she's sitting on her phone bean bag like over here behind me. And I was sitting in front of her at Times Beach and there's like all the bean bags.

And then she comes up to me. She was like, "Excuse me, is this you?" And I was like, "Yes." And it was one of my boxing videos that came out. Wicked. And she was like, "Oh my god, that's so funny cuz I follow your stuff and like I love your content." It's like, you know, that is so nice.

And you have so many I have so many girls that, you know, replied to my stuff and said, "You're inspiring. It's really nice." And I'm not even like big, you know what I mean? But it's it's I feel like if you have the power to inspire one person and they say that to you then you need to keep doing it because if the one person says that that's amazing. I I think about this a lot right to help me get through it as well.

So do you know who we worry about when we don't do it? We only know a minuscule of everyone right and it's not them that are going to watch it. Friends, family, that's who we worry about, right? People we already know.

That's what stopped me for a long time. Even clients and all that, right? But who do you actually get it out of now? like the journey the the followers coming up now it's people I don't know that cuz there's a whole there's 8 billion people out there right so it's that made me click and I'm like I'm not doing it for my friends and family like they should be proud and support you right or you know or relationships it's not them and what I love randoms yeah well have a new one right and I I never thought this chat would go like this I wasn't sure right this is why I love it when I don't know someone well but like I got people on that I know very well and they're usually people that will not sit here and peel the layers back every single person has because I put them in this safe spot and then what happens they know other people and this is why I love doing guests.

It's not about insurance or specific, right? Or like you're doing that niche. So, it's broad. So, I get to I get to go over all different uh industries and aspects and people and um but I could just picture that moment, that chick coming up to you on the beach and going nice, dude.

Like, how nice that you can just like inspire people to like, you know, I think one girl said to me was like, "Please don't stop posting cuz I love your videos." I was like, you know, so cute. It's so nice. And that for me makes me younger. because I know you're big on the whole I want to train females and like you want to be a great role model and mentor.

Let's be honest, right? Um that's pretty that's the that's the golden market and nugget for you. Yeah. Yeah.

100%. So yeah, it's really nice and obviously the more I create videos, the better I get at it and then opportunities come up and then like I think people don't realize that you can get like a lot of opportunity from you know social media and stuff and that's something that I want to build on. Obviously now I'm trying to start my um retreats in Bali. So Oh, I did see that.

Yeah, talk about it. Called Kickbox Collective. Yep. Female retreat.

Women only combat retreats. Yeah. So doing kickboxing, boxing, jiu-jitsu. Really focusing on like allowing being like a space, like a one-stop space where women can come and like learn.

It doesn't matter if they're a beginner or they're advanced. Like they just come. It's like a 10-day intensive training camp. Um kind kind of like a training camp, like a boot camp kind of thing.

Um, obviously do kickboxing classes, boxing classes, focusing on self-defense. Obviously, jiu-jitsu so there's like four classes in the time frame that you do, learning how to defend yourself and stuff cuz I feel like that's really important. Um, especially for the female, you know, like that's Yeah, 100%. And I think that's something that that's really cool doing an only female because there's no the pressure.

You're all even like even now though, it's still something that affects me. It's like you go into a gym full of guys and it's like I was Yeah, of course. I mean, I was at Scrappy the other night and it's great, great environment, amazing place, but I was literally the only girl and one of the coaches comes up to me. He's like, "Dar, you're the only chick.

How you how you going?" I was like, "How good is it?" I'm okay. Thank you. That's how good Scrappy is, right? Yeah.

Yeah. No, it's 100%. Like, he was like, "I was Yeah, I was looking around and I just saw you." Which one did you go to? Will.

Yeah, that's the original one. And everyone's all, you know, so nice. But, you know, you walk in and you feel like, you know, do I really should I be here? you know, because it's not it's such a male-dominated sport.

So, that's why I want to start my retreats as well because I feel like if someone's that scared to to start, I want to give them the space where they can come. Yeah. Opportunity to be able to like, okay, I want to learn. Let's learn.

And then if that gives them like even the littlest bit of confidence to come back and then go to a gym, then that's what I want, you know, because once again, you help that one person. Yeah. It takes a lot of I think for females it takes a lot of courage and bravery to walk into a space full of men and be like, "Yeah, I'm going to, you know, train with you and I'm going to punch you and I'm going to, you know, spy with you." It's it's a lot. And you know, the crazy thing these days, I reckon most people are really kind people like most definitely in the martial arts space.

I think most men Yes. Mo most gyms now that's their that's their try and be point of difference is if you're a beginner, come in. We're not in here. It's not ego.

It's not like you leave that at the door. I got heaps of mates that own gyms and stuff and they all like it. Like from Drillich down to Mandro Combat Sports Academy, you know, Ben's gyms, all that. Like you walk in there like I don't even train but I go visit and you're like you walk in but they're just like they're friendly and and they're probably the most it's like going to Eternal.

Yeah. Right. Or going to one of the fights besides the crowd of a couple of the fighters, it's actually a really cool place to be. And and it's not the fighters, it's the crowd.

It's the in there that are drinking and like it's actually very well disciplined and yet they get in there and there's blood and they punch each other but it's actually it's the opposite of what people think. Yeah. Obviously it's got that stereotype cuz it's fighting etc. Yeah.

So where you at today then? Where about today with that? Yeah. Where you at today?

So nearly doing the barley retreats. When's your first one? Um hopefully June. I've been reaching out to a few people on social media trying to be able to like get exposure mostly kind of reach out to like influencers and stuff on Instagram to be able to share the content and you know they get a certain amount of the fee from the person signing up.

So it's like doing that incentive kind of thing. I just need as many people as possible to see it, you know? Like I think the concept is great and I think it Do you know what I'd say on that? That's influencers cuz they kind of go for money.

So yeah, and you probably know that space better than I do, but like like like go and meet them females that would know people they won't want money. You're starting a business. Like I only chatted with this um lady the other day about she goes, "Oh, I don't have to pay Paul if you come here." I'm like, "I want to pay cuz it's it's a new business, right? It should be the same for you." Like yeah, influencers are different cuz they get a clip of the ticket.

That's how they make money, right? But even then, like I'd go and speak to the key people in the industry, the Michael Jordan's in it, the females, the wives, the you know, you thrive. You're going to you're going to have synergies of message. You're sending the same me message, right, that they'll be sending and you're young and they they'll probably mentor and help or know people.

Thailand, Bali, Australia. Yeah. Honestly, I would go down that path and triple down on it. How many people you got to get to the first retreat?

12 is the total amount. Yeah. It's not that many, you know, but I want to keep it. Yeah.

I want to keep it. It's perfect. It's perfect size. Yeah.

And And let's be honest, your first one won't Well, your first one won't be about making money. you you want to get it there, but it's like let's kick it off. Yeah. So So I I'd do that.

Yeah, that's smart. I might do that. Maybe we'll talk about it after this. If there's if there's any help I can do, I'll do that.

Y um I reckon you'll get more out of that than influencers cuz influencers the marketing, but when Yeah. Yeah. But I think the my target market is like Yeah. Australia, mostly Perth, cuz I did um well, not mostly Perth, but when I just after my injury, I started coaching um only female kickboxing classes and they were quite busy.

Like I had like 30 girls turn up to my first class. So obviously there's not really that much. There's obviously gyms here in Perth, but specifically for like only female to feel like you can just rock up and learn. You know, you're a beginner.

Most of them were beginners, which was quite cool. So is there I don't know this, but is there female business associations? um female groups for business. I'd go to another industry like that now.

Why business? Yeah. Because why do I train? Even on a roller coaster on and off, why do I Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Mental. Yeah.

And put you out of comfort zone. Because when you become business owners, CEOs, or even employment, corporate training, whether it's weights, whether it's kickboxing, whether it's whatever ice bath, all that kind of stuff, they need that more than ever. Yeah. because you're high performing, you're busy, you're you're trying to get routine and structure and you're all at different levels, right?

I still try and work on it. Like every week I'm trying to get a better routine, better and it's all here. Why' I go ice bath yesterday? I had a really bad week at the start of the week.

Yeah. And and how I shift I'm going to dig my heels in. I'm going to book it to commit even though I probably didn't want to. And I went and I loved it.

I come home last night and I'm like, "Yeah, why didn't I do that for the last four days?" as well. I stuck my head in the sand or laid in bed like I was a bit crook Wednesday. How many business owners need that? Mhm.

That's a really good focus. Female business owners. I would. Yeah, definitely.

Good idea, Paul. Thank you. No worries. That one.

So, there's two there. I'll give you them. Um, thank you. That's awesome.

So, you're going to kick that off in June hopefully. Yeah, hopefully. Um, so you're here right now. You go back Monday.

Mhm. You're doing your visa trip or something? Mhm. Y So, when you go back, what are you doing?

Fight camp. Technically, I'm in that right now. So when when when's his fight? Where is it?

What's going on? April it is. So 4 weeks um fighting out of a Indonesian promotion called Road to Victory. So it's actually a Muay Thai fight.

Um so I was just like, you know, obviously I'm still amateur so I'm like sometimes you got to kind of find the fights yourself. Um so I was like over there it's a bit harder to find fights, you know, it's not so much. Um why is that? Is that cuz language not knowing the people?

You're not local. Obviously I'm not um Yeah, not local. I don't know many promoters and stuff over there. So, it's like I just messaged a bunch of people and I was like, "Hey, I just really want to fight soon.

Can I can I do one?" And he was like, "Yeah, I have one coming up. It's Muay Thai." And I was like, "Sure, let's do it." So, fight got to lose two more kilos, which is a pretty good smooth. Um, you're happy with that? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Happy with that. And then, yeah, on the 11th of April.

So, that my opponent is fought. She's fought once. She lost her first fight. Um, she's from Germany.

She's taller than me. Quite a bit taller, but I mean, yeah, let's her up. I love it. Nice.

So, how's your confidence with it? Good. Good. Yeah, I'm feeling good.

I feel like there's a massive difference now fighting than there was obviously 2 years ago. Cuz you're older and you're mature. Yeah. But I think I understand everything just a lot more.

More here. Yeah. And I think now I've been taking a little bit more seriously at those two fights. Obviously, they were serious, but I was kind of just starting out.

Like, it was within the first 6 months that I did them, you know, of ever training. Well, the great thing you just said is you said that about the second fight from the first fight. Now, you're going to the third one. You're like, I'm I'm up another level compared to them, too.

Put him in another bucket. That's really cool. And the two is probably not a bad break. You know, you've probably you've you've gone through injury.

You've you've gone through all this mindset stuff. You don't sound as confused now. You're on a really good road map now. That'll probably help you a lot in the fight.

Yeah. Do you know what I My first those first two fights were no shin gear, no nothing. They were just gloves, were they? Yeah.

Dutch style. Crazy. So, what about now? Now I have shin guards and and elbow pads cuz it's Yeah.

So, I'm like, "Okay, well, if I can, you know, if I can have no protection the first one, I think this is going to be okay." So, yeah. So, you get in just go hard. Yeah. I'm excited.

It's fun. I'm excited. That's really cool. So and then after that I want to so I've been I've been obviously more kickboxing is my background and then I kind of just took this Muay Thai fight just for the experience you know you obviously get better by as many fights as possible.

Yeah. Where did you do all the other disciplines like tell it just over the last couple of years kickboxing? Yeah. Yeah.

Well not kickboxing but the other disciplines like other styles. Um kickboxing mostly in Amsterdam and then learned a little bit of Muay Thai in Bali but mostly I've been doing like striking. So like over there it's like K1 K1 striking and obviously MMA. Yep.

But my favorite is MMA. Like I love that's my thing, you know. I've been doing it a little bit. Obviously started doing wrestling and grappling and stuff.

Yep. After this Muay Thai one, I want to transition into like striking MMA. So that will be cool. I would love to get a fight for MMA fight probably by the end of the year.

I reckon like December, January time. Here over there. We'd love to do it at Eternal. Would love to have a debut there.

Um which would be really cool. But have you spoke to Ben about it? No, I haven't. No, the hard thing is is cuz I'm not um at a gym in Australia, you know what I mean?

I'm I'm fighting out of Bali. So, if I was to do Eternal MMA, I mean, I could be represented by someone, but can I I'm going to intro to someone after this call if he answers his phone. Okay. All right.

Cool. He's cool. He's a legend. Very close mate of mine.

Yeah. And he's a weapon coach and he's very close with Ben. Um I mean, if I had to come back for 3 months and do my camp, I'd do it. You know what I mean?

No, no problem. You should uh be cool. you should chat with him and yeah, we'll talk about after. It's cool.

Yeah, it's cool cuz I there's another girl at my gym called Renee Kosh. She just fought on the UFC fight pass um for in New Zealand and you know she's from Sydney and she's been living in Bali for 4 years. Um and it was funny cuz on her fight the guy was like, "Oh, where are you from?" Cuz you're obviously not Indonesian. She was like, "Yeah, I'm from Sydney, but she's Australian, but she's been, you know, fighting out of Bali for 4 years." So, it's like that's also really cool cuz now she's getting obviously, you know, fights in Australia, New Zealand from not being in an Australian New Zealand gym, which I think is really sick, you know.

So, it's definitely possible in that in that sense. You know, you don't have to essentially train in Australia to be able to have those opportunities. So, um yeah, we'll see. I just going to go back.

I don't know the dynamics of that, but I was talking about MKA, which is close with Ben. I'll um I'll give him a buzz and even if you just start chatting with him, he he he knows everyone here and he'll be able to put you in the right direction. He's a wicked coach himself. He trains with all Ben guys.

He goes up to scrappy coaches. He's Yeah. Yeah. He's a legend and he'll be able to he'll be he loves it.

He'll make time. You'll see him if you follow him. He's on his um content heaps and he puts a lot of fighters into Eternal and maybe you can work something out there and um ask him a favor. He's a legend cuz all of the Yeah.

So cool. Like it's crazy, you know. Jack did a tunnel and started a tunnel, you know, such a cool stepping stone. Well, Ben's his coach, right?

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, like however long ago that was. It's really cool.

Long long time. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and he's good mates with Maka, too.

So, he goes and trains with him. Yeah. Sick. Yeah.

So, uh they're all really close. Girls in Eternal. So, cool. Yeah.

All right. There is there is obviously girls that I Yeah. Not familiar with some of their names, but um yeah, not enough girls. That's awesome.

So, by the sounds of it, that's a tick in the box for you, right? You want to make that happen, no matter when it is and how it is. And look, if it's in Bali, that's fine. Like, they have, you know, Changu Fight Night and stuff at the end of the year, which is really big.

So, my fight club is huge over there. When do you reckon you're ready to go fight on a channel? Um, I think I have a lot of work to do, you know, especially MMA. Like, I think my striking and my like Yeah, my kicking, my striking is good, but it's my it's my um grappling and my wrestling.

Ah, Ma, I think you're he's the right one to talk to. We'll uh we'll hit him up or if not he'll point out. I only just started doing jiu-jitsu. Did you?

So, you know, I still have probably I'd love to just like train jiu-jitsu for like another year or at least at the end of the year and then see see how we go. Yeah, we could. Yeah. All right, cool.

So, we might not be far off wrapping up. Is there anything you want to add? And then I've got two questions for you. No, I don't think so.

What'd you get out of today? A lot of self-reflection, which I like. Boom. That's what it's about.

I like, you know, it's stopping and peeling it back. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to like now I think I just explained my whole life journey which is really cool when you when you sit here and talk about it, you know, like it's it's nice to have that. So yeah, I'm so grateful I'm the lucky one to get to do this with you because we don't do it.

And I said to myself, I told you already that I wanted to be on a podcast and then I text you literally text me. I was like whoa. I'm going to go have a ticket off my list. the universe and it's really cool and and I always say to everyone I want to like catch up in three six months and do a I haven't got to that bit yet but we will because I don't it's the journey right I don't want to just do a podcast with you and then yeah whatever it's like revisiting let's really like there's obviously huge points in here you want to go fight you're doing your retreat and and I know you'd be vulnerable so in six months your retreat didn't work for whatever reason be like why not or how you going or did you get your fight or you So, we might fight.

Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll do that. And the last question, who can we get on here that you know?

Oh, mention their name. Do them in if someone comes. Got my dad on here. I was actually going to say that.

What's his full name? It's out of my brother. Um, my brother's a comedian. Yep.

Who's that? Rory Low. Yep. Um, and your dad's name?

Kenny Low. Yeah, he's Kenny. Is he? Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. I mean, you can always ask him if you're going down the sporting the sporting route, then sure. I'm trying to think who else.

Well, he's Perth, right? He's, you know, everyone will know who Kenny is obviously. Um, but things like that are good because he's got a story and I know part of his, you know, come over in 2001 and obviously sacrificed a lot and had two, I don't know, no TVs, got five years. I know.

Poor man. So, let's um with all the crazy kids. So, how many So, you're the middle. So, you must had three kids when you come over and then had two more.

Mhm. Yeah. Crazy, right? I know.

Insane. My mom Yeah. is wild, too. obviously mad football.

What what what do you say he does now? Um he's always been um engineer. So he Yeah, that's his background is engineering and then um was playing football when he was younger and then came over here um and then obviously was uh coach of Perth blurry for a long time and then that was his sole job engineering kind of took a backseat. Yeah.

Finished up there and so Kenya looks like we're going to get you on mate. Um I think there's a few people we'll both know also. Um yeah, probably there will be definitely cuz when you mentioned Perth Glory before I think one of the biggest messages I got out of today and it's while I've still got this shirt on. I got caught up for 2 3 years not doing this cuz I try to I'm like we got to perfect it and I don't want to do this.

I don't want clients to see me. All this stuff then when I started I included it. So I was in here I was putting a sticker on my shirt on one of the podcast. It was a white wall and then we put a black wall and actually I lent them there.

They weren't installed yet just to do one. Right. and it just launched last week, this week. And you brought this up and it was really cool.

So followed us and it's like just do it. Just start. It's actually better because it's more authentic. It is.

Like and I am getting shirts by next week hopefully. Um cuz think there's you know we're all human. Yes. But there's so many there's 101,000 things that you could do before you was ready to Well, you can do two and just start.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. you know, could have waited like 6 months to get the sign and the mics or whatever, but if you just like I don't know, record it on your phone, do you know what I mean? Like there's so many Yeah. Cuz even even the one last week I when I had the black wall up, so no one's done it with a sign yet, right?

Like I've recorded three but not launched now. But I was on a screen with a close boxer mate uh over east. Did you watch that one? Have you?

No. Which one? So Shane Hass is a boxer pro boxer, right? Very close mate of mine.

Grew up the same town. And um the noise wasn't good. I had the earphones in, but we just done it cuz if I got caught up and I wouldn't have done it, right? I went and watched it back.

I sat at home Monday night and watched it cuz I I don't really watch them all before they launched cuz otherwise I'll probably stop them. Yeah, you probably So, I'm like I let the team do it, right? And a couple of points put me in tears. It was probably the most impactful podcast and it was on a screen, not not live, uh not in person.

I had earbuds in and there's a bit of static. I actually did not care about any of the quality. It was amazing. I was still watching reals yesterday.

He's the one that ice baths every day. He actually got me back ice bath after a couple of years and and I ring him after it and I'm like and then he sent me a message this morning cuz I went yes how how good how good H um watch them ones. You you'll love it. He had cancer.

Um 23 boxing got him through it all. He used to fight. He used to spew up. He didn't know he had cancer.

Like amazing story Monday this week at launch and it was on a remote cuz he's over east and uh just going back to the quality piece. just do it. It did not matter about that. And I'm probably one of those picky pricks cuz I'm the one putting it out.

Nothing can be perfect. No, you you can't speed. And I I tell everyone this. I don't listen to myself.

Speed trumps perfection. Mhm. Working at it along the way and get better. Yeah.

You know, anyway, that was wicked. I had a ball. No, it was awesome. Thanks very much.

Give me a hug. Thank you so much. That was sick. Thank you.

I appreciate it. That was awesome.